Comments on: New 777 Depends On 787 Success

By: Rengab

Rengab — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:12:33 +0000

737rg is needed to compete with a gtf-powered 320 with sharklets

i am always amazed the way 737 has evolved to be able to still compete with the newer 320

http://planetalks.blogspot.com/2009/02/ryanair-planned-400-single-aisle-order.html

By: Rengab

Rengab — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:09:04 +0000

if the 777ng is at least 3% more seat-mile efficient than 350-1000 then it’s ok to do refresh

but if not, go to a new design if the capex is there

or suffer as the original 350 failure

http://planetalks.blogspot.com/2008/12/777-on-top-of-its-game.html

http://planetalks.blogspot.com/2009/06/competitive-upgrading-of-boeing-777.html

By: Anon

Anon — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:29:23 +0000

Keesje

Your numbers mean nothing. The A330 backlog has yet to be delivered.

How many 777’s (all types) are their flying right now?

Plenty.

Just as Boeing is floating the 77W, Airbus is relying on the A330 as its only widebody. The A380 and A340 are dead and the A320 is so low margin it makes the 737 look profitable!

By: ikkeman

ikkeman — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:04 +0000

41. Leelaw | October 21st, 2009 at 12:11
that’s a big if - and personally I think working on the basis of an 37 month plan is proof of one of those good intentions with which the nasty road is paved.
If anything, the birthing pains of the 787 should have taught how not to get revolutionary tech to the market.

By: Leelaw

Leelaw — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:11:27 +0000

“I insist, I think they can wait another five years before announcing the launch of any 777 enhancement or replacement.”

What doesn’t get discussed much these days is that one of the strategic reasons for the production process and “advanced technologies” adopted/introduced with the 787 program was the longer term goal of reducing the development (design-to-delivery) cycle to a maximum of 36 months for future programs. The learning curve has been exceedingly steep so far, but if they’re able to master the process, assuming their organization remains capable of doing so, they’ll be a formidable competitor going forward.

By: Vero Venia

Vero Venia — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:27 +0000

37. keesje | October 20th, 2009 at 23:59 says “Maybe Boeing should just wait & see what happens …”

Isn’t that exactly what they’re doing right now? They’re waiting actively.
“Actively” means they continue to make sure that the technology will be ready when they need to do something on the 777.

I insist, I think they can wait another five years before announcing the launch of any 777 enhancement or replacement. This does not preclude them to discuss time to time about possible 777 enhancement or replacement. I would call it “guerrilla marketing”, but that’s business as usual.

By: Dougloid

Dougloid — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:58:03 +0000

Good editorial, Saj. Making promises you fail to keep is how you lose customers-or, more properly in this particular duopoly (because they both did it) is losing customer confidence-that creates a lot of work that you’ll never get paid for.

Aircraft are hellishly complicated-big ones even more so. When the customer doesn’t trust you, that creates problems.

The worst one at Douglas was Japan Air System-regular demands that people on the flight line be fired for pettifogging defalcations. Armani suits. Jerks. I’m surprised they did not insist on flogging the workers.

The only customers worth a crap were Swissair. Their on site people were all master mechanics and not suits-they actually knew what the heck they were talking about.

By: Aotearoa

Aotearoa — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:14:55 +0000

@ 26. chaser

“Big rumour here that Cathay are just about ready to buy also.”

http://www.airwaysaviationnews.com/

“There has been an intense speculation recently that Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific is going to place an order for the A350-1000 to replace its A340-300 and 777 fleets. However, this rumor is seriously flawed. Airways Aviation News reports in Hong Kong.” Goes on…

By: keesje

keesje — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:59:37 +0000

The 777-200 passenger variants have a backlog of about 40. The 787-9 is yrs away.

The also 300 seat A330-300 took over & the 300 seat A350-900 sold great.

Boeing cannot float on the 777-300ER alone.

The A350-1000 specs are on the Airbus site & Airbus tends to meet them.

Maybe Boeing should just wait & see what happens …

By: Falcon

Falcon — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:06:09 +0000

@VV,

Do you know what the A350-1000 will or will not be?

I know about as much about the A35A as the A358, A359, 788 and 789. Much more than the so much claimed to fame 78A not to mention the real dream liner - 78B. The later having almost disappeared the last year.

Then of course I have not asked for specs as I have not interest in buying one and thus OEM’s have no reason to provide me with details.