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	<title>Comments on: ANA Targets 787 Delivery In Feb 2010</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When indicating doubts, etc, it would be more informative if you state the reason for your doubt...having a doubt is easy...substantiating the reason is another.

    Several knowledgeable people define where they foresee problems...others just express skepticism. Some with familiarity express confidence.

    Perhaps the next Fleetbuzz report will shed some light on these areas....with more clarity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When indicating doubts, etc, it would be more informative if you state the reason for your doubt&#8230;having a doubt is easy&#8230;substantiating the reason is another.</p>
<p>    Several knowledgeable people define where they foresee problems&#8230;others just express skepticism. Some with familiarity express confidence.</p>
<p>    Perhaps the next Fleetbuzz report will shed some light on these areas&#8230;.with more clarity</p>
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		<title>By: J.Mankin</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Mankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will believe the delivery dates when we see the aircraft lift off on it's delivey flight.  I hate to say this, but I forsee SERIOUS problems in the flight test programme, the possiblity of flaws in this deisgn that could cause serious (possibly fatal) accidents.  I have my doubts that it will fly before 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will believe the delivery dates when we see the aircraft lift off on it&#8217;s delivey flight.  I hate to say this, but I forsee SERIOUS problems in the flight test programme, the possiblity of flaws in this deisgn that could cause serious (possibly fatal) accidents.  I have my doubts that it will fly before 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If  the prior comment is correct, it makes no sense why Boeing would have chosen those options. Sounds Counterprodutive.

   What is the logic behind those alleged decisions.

   Hard to believe that there could be such decisionmaking from an experienced Company..

   Fleetbuzz says it has spoken to many 787 engineers and will be publishing some of there oservations soon....not soon enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  the prior comment is correct, it makes no sense why Boeing would have chosen those options. Sounds Counterprodutive.</p>
<p>   What is the logic behind those alleged decisions.</p>
<p>   Hard to believe that there could be such decisionmaking from an experienced Company..</p>
<p>   Fleetbuzz says it has spoken to many 787 engineers and will be publishing some of there oservations soon&#8230;.not soon enough for me!</p>
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		<title>By: mike j</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>mike j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for Blogger #28, for "real-world-designing", see if I can articulate it a bit... 
I doubt the hardware is bad, I think the 787 will fly fine... but it turns out that Boeing not only outsourced each section, but outsourced the Engineering and Design of each of those sections with little or no oversight except to give out "design-perameters", ie: some of these companies have never-ever even once made any aircraft component, nor had a schedule to keep (which has been a problem so far)....

And also,  not enough "real-world-designing", I mean Boeing dropped-out and scrapped every prior successful action regarding new models, 
ie: 

0) new program (to be successful) should've kept all variables to as close to near-zero as possible, ie: just the actual airplane/material changes, but no! Boeing went and put all the variables to near-infinity, by changing exactly EVERY little thing... 

(ie: their whole philosophy on how to go about designing and building this 787 left every variable to total chance, and then Murphy's Law has taken over since then, and we've all seen it in-action from the get-go) 

1) they changed EVERY computer-system related for production/building (so that no-one from other programs like 737, 777,747) can just step-in and go... one has-to learn very complicated new systems all over again, which systems really don't work right at all Velocity, Delmia, Enovia5, etc... (which the older OWI, REDARS, etc systems although sometimes flawed yet was already working and functioning through out, and everybody on other programs already knows how to operate and use)...

2) at the very beginning of 787 program they only wanted "brand-new" employees-- who had zero aircraft experience (regardless of the training they received, just didn't pan out so well)... whereas I believe that if Boeing had used only the best-of-the-best veteran personell they wouldv'e only needed say 50 to 100, not thousands...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for Blogger #28, for &#8220;real-world-designing&#8221;, see if I can articulate it a bit&#8230;<br />
I doubt the hardware is bad, I think the 787 will fly fine&#8230; but it turns out that Boeing not only outsourced each section, but outsourced the Engineering and Design of each of those sections with little or no oversight except to give out &#8220;design-perameters&#8221;, ie: some of these companies have never-ever even once made any aircraft component, nor had a schedule to keep (which has been a problem so far)&#8230;.</p>
<p>And also,  not enough &#8220;real-world-designing&#8221;, I mean Boeing dropped-out and scrapped every prior successful action regarding new models,<br />
ie: </p>
<p>0) new program (to be successful) should&#8217;ve kept all variables to as close to near-zero as possible, ie: just the actual airplane/material changes, but no! Boeing went and put all the variables to near-infinity, by changing exactly EVERY little thing&#8230; </p>
<p>(ie: their whole philosophy on how to go about designing and building this 787 left every variable to total chance, and then Murphy&#8217;s Law has taken over since then, and we&#8217;ve all seen it in-action from the get-go) </p>
<p>1) they changed EVERY computer-system related for production/building (so that no-one from other programs like 737, 777,747) can just step-in and go&#8230; one has-to learn very complicated new systems all over again, which systems really don&#8217;t work right at all Velocity, Delmia, Enovia5, etc&#8230; (which the older OWI, REDARS, etc systems although sometimes flawed yet was already working and functioning through out, and everybody on other programs already knows how to operate and use)&#8230;</p>
<p>2) at the very beginning of 787 program they only wanted &#8220;brand-new&#8221; employees&#8211; who had zero aircraft experience (regardless of the training they received, just didn&#8217;t pan out so well)&#8230; whereas I believe that if Boeing had used only the best-of-the-best veteran personell they wouldv&#8217;e only needed say 50 to 100, not thousands&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacobin777     Thanks for intelligent  response. Does not sound too bad from your point of view but I guess we all have to wait to see if the "flutter" is just a "flutter" and not something more serious.

                   Many skeptics seem to think this plane is some unknown but I, like you, think there are normal adjustments to follow but that the bird will fly as it was designed to .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacobin777     Thanks for intelligent  response. Does not sound too bad from your point of view but I guess we all have to wait to see if the &#8220;flutter&#8221; is just a &#8220;flutter&#8221; and not something more serious.</p>
<p>                   Many skeptics seem to think this plane is some unknown but I, like you, think there are normal adjustments to follow but that the bird will fly as it was designed to .</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment/question from #26 regarding dents and cracks if hit by service truck

     It is hard to believe that this was not a consideration when designing this plane...or choosing to use this material.

    But, what does happen?  Is it reparable?  Is it the same as if our automobile is bumped into...ios there a specialway to repair composites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment/question from #26 regarding dents and cracks if hit by service truck</p>
<p>     It is hard to believe that this was not a consideration when designing this plane&#8230;or choosing to use this material.</p>
<p>    But, what does happen?  Is it reparable?  Is it the same as if our automobile is bumped into&#8230;ios there a specialway to repair composites?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacobin777</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacobin777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerrold, there are always "bugs" in the system. Its like trying anything new out. Unexpected flutter, higher (or lower drag), better (worse) SFC, braking issues, software issues, etc. 

I do expect there to be some "glitches" and some minour problems, however, I don't see anything major.....yet at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerrold, there are always &#8220;bugs&#8221; in the system. Its like trying anything new out. Unexpected flutter, higher (or lower drag), better (worse) SFC, braking issues, software issues, etc. </p>
<p>I do expect there to be some &#8220;glitches&#8221; and some minour problems, however, I don&#8217;t see anything major&#8230;..yet at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is" real world designing" (prior comment). I assume there are basic aeronautical principals that govern the design of this plane. The difference here is simply the composite material as well as the production method.

    I thought the testing of the materials all indicated a strengthened product and the pressure tests, etc so far have shown aditional strength.

   The real world test will be when it flies....hard to believe after all this work and effort that there is a basic flaw in the product....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is&#8221; real world designing&#8221; (prior comment). I assume there are basic aeronautical principals that govern the design of this plane. The difference here is simply the composite material as well as the production method.</p>
<p>    I thought the testing of the materials all indicated a strengthened product and the pressure tests, etc so far have shown aditional strength.</p>
<p>   The real world test will be when it flies&#8230;.hard to believe after all this work and effort that there is a basic flaw in the product&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mike j</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>mike j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is way way way too common for Corporate America, and for International Corporatorations to way way way over-advertize their 'products" and to paint way way way too much optimism for the sake of sales and income... and the actual products to be be rather so-so at best.

...(same with Presidents, Congress-People, Mayors, UN-Official, and, and, and the list is endless, even the average person's resume is nothing but total and complete over-advertizing, if not outright fraud)...

So I would take every Boeing public anouncement as nothing but total and complete Hot-Air.

HOWEVER, with that said, I've seen 787 close up and from far away, and it sure LOOKS LIKE it'll fly just fine.

But until they get the dang thing off the runway, well, don't bet on anything.  

And there WILL BE more bugs to fix, because Boeing did way way way too much "virtual-designing" and hardly any enough "real-world-designing", which is the only major-flaw of the entire program.  (I hope this is not the fatal-flaw, but it could yet be, and so far has been almost fatal from the beginning and at every step of the program).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is way way way too common for Corporate America, and for International Corporatorations to way way way over-advertize their &#8216;products&#8221; and to paint way way way too much optimism for the sake of sales and income&#8230; and the actual products to be be rather so-so at best.</p>
<p>&#8230;(same with Presidents, Congress-People, Mayors, UN-Official, and, and, and the list is endless, even the average person&#8217;s resume is nothing but total and complete over-advertizing, if not outright fraud)&#8230;</p>
<p>So I would take every Boeing public anouncement as nothing but total and complete Hot-Air.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, with that said, I&#8217;ve seen 787 close up and from far away, and it sure LOOKS LIKE it&#8217;ll fly just fine.</p>
<p>But until they get the dang thing off the runway, well, don&#8217;t bet on anything.  </p>
<p>And there WILL BE more bugs to fix, because Boeing did way way way too much &#8220;virtual-designing&#8221; and hardly any enough &#8220;real-world-designing&#8221;, which is the only major-flaw of the entire program.  (I hope this is not the fatal-flaw, but it could yet be, and so far has been almost fatal from the beginning and at every step of the program).</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/02/ana787/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happens when a service truck dents &#38; cracks the fuselage?

i wont be flying this thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happens when a service truck dents &amp; cracks the fuselage?</p>
<p>i wont be flying this thing.</p>
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