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		<title>By: boeing investor</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/08/04/every-which-way-but-loose/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>boeing investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I stand corrected on the BA lease deal. :)

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I stand corrected on the BA lease deal. <img src='http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Who said anything about claiming that?&lt;/b&gt;

You were the one that claimed every major has ordered the 787. ;-)

&lt;b&gt;Really, considering it was only EK harping on about it and not buying it&lt;/b&gt;

No, EK was not the only airline that told Boeing that the -10 they were considering offering for sale was not up to snuff. Do some research.

Here's a good start:
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070619c1_pr.html

As long ago as Dec 2005, Boeing was talking about launching the -10.
http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=3547

Those airlines that were pushing Boeing for a better -10 are now looking seriously at the A350. Expect some major news next week. :-D

&lt;b&gt;as Boeing enhances the 77W with a 10% (or more) improvement &lt;/b&gt;

What changes have garnered a 10% improvement today? They might be working on getting there, but what have they announced yet?

&lt;b&gt;Is it? How many tons overweight?&lt;/b&gt;
According to the 787's biggest customer, 14,000lbs.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=11/12/2007
QUOTE:&lt;i&gt;He also said that the 787-9 is around 14,000 lb. over budget on its operating empty weight. &lt;/i&gt;

You still haven't explained how EK "screwed up" by not ordering the 787 and 748i.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Who said anything about claiming that?</b></p>
<p>You were the one that claimed every major has ordered the 787. <img src='http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Really, considering it was only EK harping on about it and not buying it</b></p>
<p>No, EK was not the only airline that told Boeing that the -10 they were considering offering for sale was not up to snuff. Do some research.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good start:<br />
<a href="http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070619c1_pr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070619c1_pr.html</a></p>
<p>As long ago as Dec 2005, Boeing was talking about launching the -10.<br />
<a href="http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=3547" rel="nofollow">http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=3547</a></p>
<p>Those airlines that were pushing Boeing for a better -10 are now looking seriously at the A350. Expect some major news next week. <img src='http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>as Boeing enhances the 77W with a 10% (or more) improvement </b></p>
<p>What changes have garnered a 10% improvement today? They might be working on getting there, but what have they announced yet?</p>
<p><b>Is it? How many tons overweight?</b><br />
According to the 787&#8217;s biggest customer, 14,000lbs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=11/12/2007" rel="nofollow">http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=11/12/2007</a><br />
QUOTE:<i>He also said that the 787-9 is around 14,000 lb. over budget on its operating empty weight. </i></p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t explained how EK &#8220;screwed up&#8221; by not ordering the 787 and 748i.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;From what I know, the 4 options are the airplanes that may be leased from GECAS, but the 6 firm are a direct purchase from Boeing, vis a vis the 787 delay “compensation”.&lt;/b&gt;

Today's Boeing order update confirms that BA only ordered 2 77W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>From what I know, the 4 options are the airplanes that may be leased from GECAS, but the 6 firm are a direct purchase from Boeing, vis a vis the 787 delay “compensation”.</b></p>
<p>Today&#8217;s Boeing order update confirms that BA only ordered 2 77W.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up until the latest round of delays, Boeing was presenting a planned 787-10 model to airlines along with the -3, -8 and -9. MTOW and systems were the same as the 787-9, passenger count was about 310, and range was expected to be around 7800nm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until the latest round of delays, Boeing was presenting a planned 787-10 model to airlines along with the -3, -8 and -9. MTOW and systems were the same as the 787-9, passenger count was about 310, and range was expected to be around 7800nm.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SUH is out on a limb, as are you!&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe he's worried?  It used to be he worried about the likes of GECAS and Pegasus; now there's competition from the middle east, with China looming.  If these orders are eventually delivered, these aircraft could be finding their ways into the hands of lessors if the grandiose plans for expansion don't pan out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SUH is out on a limb, as are you!</strong></p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s worried?  It used to be he worried about the likes of GECAS and Pegasus; now there&#8217;s competition from the middle east, with China looming.  If these orders are eventually delivered, these aircraft could be finding their ways into the hands of lessors if the grandiose plans for expansion don&#8217;t pan out.</p>
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		<title>By: sky mapper</title>
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		<dc:creator>sky mapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;-Every major carrier? Even Boeing wouldn’t dare claim that.&lt;/strong&gt;

Who said anything about claiming that?

&lt;strong&gt;-Boeing was touting the -10 to anyone who would listen.&lt;/strong&gt;

Really, considering it was only EK harping on about it and not buying it - that is if you are deluded enough to believe that a -10 model even really existed to buy in the first place.

&lt;strong&gt;-It’s a smaller, but much more efficient, plane. &lt;/strong&gt;

...and its losing that edge every day as Boeing enhances the 77W with a 10% (or more) improvement and the A350-1000 adds weight etc etc

&lt;strong&gt;-the 787 is one seriously phat bird itself. Didn’t SUH say the -9 was something like 9t overweight?&lt;/strong&gt;

Is it? How many tons overweight? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6?

As for Hazy, I find it funny that the -9 launch customer ANZ hasnt said squat about it being 9 tons overweight, let alone Boeing. SUH is out on a limb, as are you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>-Every major carrier? Even Boeing wouldn’t dare claim that.</strong></p>
<p>Who said anything about claiming that?</p>
<p><strong>-Boeing was touting the -10 to anyone who would listen.</strong></p>
<p>Really, considering it was only EK harping on about it and not buying it - that is if you are deluded enough to believe that a -10 model even really existed to buy in the first place.</p>
<p><strong>-It’s a smaller, but much more efficient, plane. </strong></p>
<p>&#8230;and its losing that edge every day as Boeing enhances the 77W with a 10% (or more) improvement and the A350-1000 adds weight etc etc</p>
<p><strong>-the 787 is one seriously phat bird itself. Didn’t SUH say the -9 was something like 9t overweight?</strong></p>
<p>Is it? How many tons overweight? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6?</p>
<p>As for Hazy, I find it funny that the -9 launch customer ANZ hasnt said squat about it being 9 tons overweight, let alone Boeing. SUH is out on a limb, as are you!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm..

As crude prices went up, this buying spree is kind of helping to ease the pain with the trade balance.

As you know, buying in bulk saves.  As a passenger, I am not worry about flying on Middle East Airlines at discount prices with reasonably service.  Just like I do not mind to shop at Wal-Mart for the same product offered at Nordsdrum.

The only risk here is that the suppliers, like Mr. Rich Aboulafia suggested, are over-concentrated on a segment of customers.  And one of the supplier is hanging on public money for lifeline at least for the time being.  Since listed price of its shares is close to nothing (as suggested earlier by major stock analyst), a slight adjustment of business scenario to the south might render taxpayers to take further financial blunt.    

Anyway, like the airlines management, I prefer to see both (or more) competitors stay healthy and produce the most efficient stuff for us, the consumers to enjoy.  This is a tough challenge in face of the current energy crisis.  A strong Airbus Industrie (&#38; EADS) is in the best interest of every consumer, passengers and airlines alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm..</p>
<p>As crude prices went up, this buying spree is kind of helping to ease the pain with the trade balance.</p>
<p>As you know, buying in bulk saves.  As a passenger, I am not worry about flying on Middle East Airlines at discount prices with reasonably service.  Just like I do not mind to shop at Wal-Mart for the same product offered at Nordsdrum.</p>
<p>The only risk here is that the suppliers, like Mr. Rich Aboulafia suggested, are over-concentrated on a segment of customers.  And one of the supplier is hanging on public money for lifeline at least for the time being.  Since listed price of its shares is close to nothing (as suggested earlier by major stock analyst), a slight adjustment of business scenario to the south might render taxpayers to take further financial blunt.    </p>
<p>Anyway, like the airlines management, I prefer to see both (or more) competitors stay healthy and produce the most efficient stuff for us, the consumers to enjoy.  This is a tough challenge in face of the current energy crisis.  A strong Airbus Industrie (&amp; EADS) is in the best interest of every consumer, passengers and airlines alike.</p>
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