Comments on: 747-8I Order Drought To End

By: BOEING777

BOEING777 — Tue, 20 May 2008 04:56:16 +0000

Semantics- it remains an undefined airplane. You cannot launch or “delay” something that is not a static design.

By: keesje

keesje — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:56:12 +0000

Boeing777, I think the launch of the 787-10 has been delayed several times.

Ask SQ, QF, EK or CX.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/07/08/10137640.html

I think every fleet manager proposing ordering the 747-8i to his board will have a hard time defusing unfavourable public comments from folks like ILFC’s Udvar H, SQ’s Seng, QF’s Dixon and BA’s Walsh.

ILFC’s Udvar:
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aerospace/archives/125748.asp

BA’s Willy Walsh:
http://www.fleetbuzz.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18427&mode=threaded&pid=88788

SQ Chew:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/336825_a38026.html

QF’s Dixon:
http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/category/qantas/

By: BOEING777

BOEING777 — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:46:30 +0000

Keesje - compare the A340 to the 777 family. Naturally, the newer A350 will be better than the previous 777 models - for the here and now, the 777 guzzles far less fuel than A340’s.

As for the 787-10, it is undefined - to call it “delayed” is highly misguided for something that has never been launched.

By: keesje

keesje — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:41:05 +0000

I would be nice to have a second airline order passenger 747’s. It has become awfully silent since 2002.

I think EY’s Hogan recently said the orders will probably include additional A380 superjumbos. So it would become a mixed VLA fleet.

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10192001.html

For sometime Ethihad is rumored to consider ordering order 100 aircraft for 20 billion.

I think they might prefer the A350-900 over the gas guzzling 777-200ER/LR or endlessly delayed 787-10 to speak in Boeing777 language

By: James Baloun

James Baloun — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:45:02 +0000

Does it make sense to establish a route using a 747-8I with fewer seats to fill and later switching to the A380 when the route becomes more popular?

By: Levent

Levent — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:38:59 +0000

The 747 as it was all new in the end of the 60s was also a very bad selling aircraft i think. The big sucess started after it entried service.

i mean, the 748i cant be such a bad airplane. Otherwise a professional airline like lufthansa would never have ordered such a big number of them. And they eventually want to go for more, up to 50 748i s.

By: Chris Wallace

Chris Wallace — Sat, 17 May 2008 14:15:41 +0000

Well EY has deferred their A380s, so they may feel that the plane is too large for them. However, might they also feel the same of the 747-8I?

Also, what does EY value more? Passengers or cargo?

In terms of raw lift, the 777-300ER will put 70t into the air. A 747-8I will offer another 7t on top of that, but both fall far short of the 91t the A380-800 can put into the skies. However, the 77W is the best cargo hauler while the A388 is the worst. The 747-8I falls somewhere in the middle.

As EY already has five 77Ws, adding to that fleet makes sense - either in companion with or replacement of their existing A340-600 fleet.

The 747-8I would certainly carry more cargo then the A380-800, so if cargo is the priority of EY, it likely makes more sense then the A380-800. However, Airbus doesn’t seem to be willing to let any A380 customers get away, and Boeing has shown with BA they will only go so low to secure a 747-8I order - even a “critically strategic” one.

So I am inclined to think Airbus will convince EY to stay with the A388 and forgo the 747-8I.