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	<title>Comments on: Boeing 787 Delayed For A Third Time</title>
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		<title>By: 787fan</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/04/09/boeing-787-delayed-for-a-third-time/comment-page-1/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>787fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking back, I think Boeing should have forgone the Media show on 7/8/7 to show us a SHELL of an
airplane ( LN001) and finished it when it got finished and then show us. They would have probably already have power on and be flight testing by now. We all laughed at Airbust for the delays on their A380 and Boeing has the same thing just to put on a show...stupid plan 
if you ask me and someone show hang for that..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back, I think Boeing should have forgone the Media show on 7/8/7 to show us a SHELL of an<br />
airplane ( LN001) and finished it when it got finished and then show us. They would have probably already have power on and be flight testing by now. We all laughed at Airbust for the delays on their A380 and Boeing has the same thing just to put on a show&#8230;stupid plan<br />
if you ask me and someone show hang for that..</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/04/09/boeing-787-delayed-for-a-third-time/comment-page-1/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it's this hard to design a modestly more advanced but rather conventional Mach 0.85 airliner, guess I can give up all hope of seeing another SST in my lifetime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s this hard to design a modestly more advanced but rather conventional Mach 0.85 airliner, guess I can give up all hope of seeing another SST in my lifetime!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/04/09/boeing-787-delayed-for-a-third-time/comment-page-1/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; I’m disappointed that Boeing repeated the 
&#62; same things about confidence as in the 
&#62; previous two delay conferences.

That is disappointing. LN001 has really kicked their arse and they don't seem to as yet have a handle on it. Every call they keep noting all the progress they made, but on the next call they keep noting how much work they still had to do.

That LN002 arrived 50% complete is a good sign and that LN003 will arrive 75% complete is even better. But LN001's problems have really snowballed the whole chain since it is holding up moving LN997 and LN998 to the static test areas so they can get LN002 forward and make room for LN003 (and then LN004).

To the callers credit during Q&#38;A they keep hammering Boeing on what, exactly, is holding up LN001 but Pat and Scott keep dancing around it. Now I don't expect a line-item detail report, but to quote Chris Rock on the progress of Jerry's Kids - "Give us something!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I’m disappointed that Boeing repeated the<br />
&gt; same things about confidence as in the<br />
&gt; previous two delay conferences.</p>
<p>That is disappointing. LN001 has really kicked their arse and they don&#8217;t seem to as yet have a handle on it. Every call they keep noting all the progress they made, but on the next call they keep noting how much work they still had to do.</p>
<p>That LN002 arrived 50% complete is a good sign and that LN003 will arrive 75% complete is even better. But LN001&#8217;s problems have really snowballed the whole chain since it is holding up moving LN997 and LN998 to the static test areas so they can get LN002 forward and make room for LN003 (and then LN004).</p>
<p>To the callers credit during Q&amp;A they keep hammering Boeing on what, exactly, is holding up LN001 but Pat and Scott keep dancing around it. Now I don&#8217;t expect a line-item detail report, but to quote Chris Rock on the progress of Jerry&#8217;s Kids - &#8220;Give us something!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James Baloun</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/04/09/boeing-787-delayed-for-a-third-time/comment-page-1/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>James Baloun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Boeing is making progress not only in the parts, assemblies, systems, and testing, but also in another very important area, risk reduction. The 787 is changing the way Boeing builds aircraft and that change came with risk. The good news now is that the bad news was not worse. Critical risk factors are being retired and a few more remain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Boeing is making progress not only in the parts, assemblies, systems, and testing, but also in another very important area, risk reduction. The 787 is changing the way Boeing builds aircraft and that change came with risk. The good news now is that the bad news was not worse. Critical risk factors are being retired and a few more remain.</p>
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		<title>By: boeing investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>boeing investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm disappointed that Boeing repeated the same things about confidence as in the previous two delay conferences.

Again, for a third time there was very little as to what traveled work is causing such a headache on the first 787. I mean, its almost a YEAR since it was shown/rolled out and it STILL hasnt got to power on.

It keeps being pushed back with no signs of forward momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that Boeing repeated the same things about confidence as in the previous two delay conferences.</p>
<p>Again, for a third time there was very little as to what traveled work is causing such a headache on the first 787. I mean, its almost a YEAR since it was shown/rolled out and it STILL hasnt got to power on.</p>
<p>It keeps being pushed back with no signs of forward momentum.</p>
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		<title>By: WingBender</title>
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		<dc:creator>WingBender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boeing's original schedule for this airplane was far too aggressive, for the following reasons.

A) Boeing looked at how the 777 was scheduled when it was developed, and lopped off several months for the 787.

2) The new technologies (composite structures, all-electrical systems, etc.) required an unprecedented amount of testing to substantiate their performance.

iii) The business model of using supplier-partners and giving them a very high level of responsibility in the define and build process (traditionally shouldered by Boeing itself) showed uneven results.  Some suppliers have stockpiles of completed major assemblies, waiting for Boeing to give them the green light for delivery to Everett.  Other suppliers, most notably Vought which finally had to be bought out by Boeing, are still struggling to unfuck themselves.

I say that Boeing should stage Rollout II of LN1 on 7/8/08, then roll it right back into the factory to complete assembly.  Repeat annually as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boeing&#8217;s original schedule for this airplane was far too aggressive, for the following reasons.</p>
<p>A) Boeing looked at how the 777 was scheduled when it was developed, and lopped off several months for the 787.</p>
<p>2) The new technologies (composite structures, all-electrical systems, etc.) required an unprecedented amount of testing to substantiate their performance.</p>
<p>iii) The business model of using supplier-partners and giving them a very high level of responsibility in the define and build process (traditionally shouldered by Boeing itself) showed uneven results.  Some suppliers have stockpiles of completed major assemblies, waiting for Boeing to give them the green light for delivery to Everett.  Other suppliers, most notably Vought which finally had to be bought out by Boeing, are still struggling to unfuck themselves.</p>
<p>I say that Boeing should stage Rollout II of LN1 on 7/8/08, then roll it right back into the factory to complete assembly.  Repeat annually as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacobin777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacobin777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the conference call in its entirety, but thanks for the synopsis of the call.:-)

Of course, some people are going to say "the "spin meisters" are up to the same thing and how will be believe them this time?"

I think Boeing has a much, much more understanding and grasp of what the situation is and they are adding an extra buffer with the six months. 

Patrick Shanahan's "bullet points" was very important in addressing many concerns. 

What I was excited to hear was that there were basically no majour "glitches" in the systems, technologies, etc. 

Also important was the fact the wing-box issue ostensibly seems to have been solved, which could have been a majour issues, especially given Udvar Hazy's comments a few weeks ago.

I do believe Boeing are out to prove themselves this time and are going to make sure they are not "full of hot air" on this 3rd delay.

Looking at Boeing's stock today (up &#62; 3%), it seems as if Wall St. believes Boeing is going to be able to achieve its goals it has mentioned in today's conference.

I'm quite confident in Boeing this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the conference call in its entirety, but thanks for the synopsis of the call.:-)</p>
<p>Of course, some people are going to say &#8220;the &#8220;spin meisters&#8221; are up to the same thing and how will be believe them this time?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Boeing has a much, much more understanding and grasp of what the situation is and they are adding an extra buffer with the six months. </p>
<p>Patrick Shanahan&#8217;s &#8220;bullet points&#8221; was very important in addressing many concerns. </p>
<p>What I was excited to hear was that there were basically no majour &#8220;glitches&#8221; in the systems, technologies, etc. </p>
<p>Also important was the fact the wing-box issue ostensibly seems to have been solved, which could have been a majour issues, especially given Udvar Hazy&#8217;s comments a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>I do believe Boeing are out to prove themselves this time and are going to make sure they are not &#8220;full of hot air&#8221; on this 3rd delay.</p>
<p>Looking at Boeing&#8217;s stock today (up &gt; 3%), it seems as if Wall St. believes Boeing is going to be able to achieve its goals it has mentioned in today&#8217;s conference.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite confident in Boeing this time around.</p>
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