Boeing Issues 787 Dreamliner Statement
March 20th, 2008
Having forecast here that deliveries of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner may be slashed to just 30 airplanes by the end of 2009, news emerging of a possible third major delay to the program is likely to spur a flurry of orders for the Boeing 777 family.
At the recent the JP Morgan Aviation and Transportation conference held at The Waldorf Astoria in
As of writing, Boeing has not yet announced a new delay based on the news of the 787 wing box.
Boeing did issue this statement clarifying its position:
“It is a normal part of the development of a new airplane to discover need for improvements, and that is what we are experiencing on the 787. The robust test process in place on the 787 program has confirmed the majority of our designs but we have found the need for some improvements.
The center wing box issue has been addressed. The fix is being installed on Airplanes 1-6 in the Everett factory. Installations have begun on the four airplanes currently in Final Assembly. All airplanes after Airplane 7 will have the solution incorporated from the beginning.
The fundamental technologies being used on the 787 are proving to be reliable and effective. The material choices and manufacturing techniques for the airplane are sound.
Boeing is working its normal processes for developing a new airplane. The test process is working when issues are discovered and we are reacting appropriately by implementing normal design validation and fixes when we find issues. “
The statement from Boeing is both reassuring and refreshing to see. At a stroke, it dispels much of the speculative mis-speak and ill-informed hearsay that somehow permeates through the airwaves, which some believe to be sacrosanct.
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Delays Will Drive Boeing 777 Demand
In the interim, any possible new delay may be a blessing in disguise for the company and in particular for the 777.
Naturally, compensation for the delays to the 787 are inevitable. Boeing may well discount its other products too as a form of recompense.
With the 777-200LR and 777-300ER spearheading the charge, customer activity for these two models will likely increase from now until the end of the year. Being the two most fuel efficient airplanes in the sky, airlines faced with rising fuel bills and capacity shortfalls as a result of replanning their 787 deliveries means these two big jets will get a big opening.
Many of the existing operators of the 777-200ER will find that although the same sized -200LR has a greater range, it’s freight uplift capability makes it an ideal like-for-like replacement on existing routes served today.
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Much has been made of the Airbus A350-1000 supplanting the 777-300ER, despite being narrower and carrying much less cargo and passengers, it is not available until 2015 or beyond. Emirates too has already acknowledged that the big Airbus twin will fall short on carrying as much cargo as its 777-300ER’s - cargo that is critical to the underlying success of the carrier too.
For the here and now, the marketplace only has one, true 8,000nm, 350 seat twin engine airplane designed for a plethora of routes - the 777-300ER.
Critically, both the 777-200LR and 777-300ER have a combined and healthy backlog - airlines placing orders now will likely see delivery timed with initial projections of 787 deliveries prior to its delays. While the Airbus A330 family had a very good sales year in 2007 and like the 777 has a healthy orderbook, it is neither the most fuel efficient twinjet available, nor does it have the range, passenger or freight carrying capability to match either the 777-200LR or -300ER models.
These factors will then play heavily in airlines minds when considering what to select in place of the 787 until these start to arrive. Deliveries, in the “short term may be limited” says analyst Richard Aboulafia, but in the face of rising fuel costs, the all round economics of the 777 family is too compelling in the absence of any direct rivals. Even now, the newest 777-200LR operator, Delta Airlines has been in talks with Boeing to further increase the range of the said airplane.
For all its flaws, the A340 family had already lost considerable market favour when the 777-300ER entered service and a reversal of fortunes for this model is highly unlikely.
No one is predicting triple-digit sales for the 777 this year, but if the 787’s debut to service remains uncertain, the impetus for strong, consistent sales upwards of 50 frames a year is certainly achievable.
While all eyes remain on Boeing’s impending release of 787 delivery rescheduling, discounting the 777 in the near term may not be an enviable proposition - but with no immediate rival and customers seeking new airplanes to compensate for the delayed 787, pushing the 777 forward will likely mean fewer sales for the larger A350 variants too.
What Boeing does in relation to a possible 777 replacement/upgrade will depend on the recovery and stabilisation of the 787 program and on how the A350 manifests itself in eating away at the larger 777-300ER customer base.
As Boeing’s VP, Marketing Randy Tinseth said this past week, the company will “wait, watch and see” how the A350 evolves.
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10 Comments Add your own
1. Chris Wallace | March 20th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
It makes sense. It’s an established family already in service with a good number of the world’s airlines so they know what they’ve got. And with the dollar being low, if you need to purchase a plane with a nine-figure price tag, the 777 will probably be a great deal even before Boeing adds in sweeteners are 787 compensation.
2. sky mapper | March 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Agree with you Chris, and the range of the 777 should be a bonus in selecting over the A330.
3. M. Parrish | March 21st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
“any possible new delay may be a blessing in disguise for the company”
By what logic?
4. BOEING777 | March 21st, 2008 at 6:36 pm
…In that the company has time to get the 787 as ready as it ever will be for flights tests, and allows Boeing to sell the equally successful 777 family to those customers waiting for their Dreamliners.
At a stroke, this potentially takes away customers for the rival A350, which isn’t available anyway for a good five to six years.
The 777 sales keep ticking along and once ready for service entry, the 787 can do the job for which it was designed.
5. Aurora | March 22nd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
WRT selling more 777s, they’ll have to figure out how to up the production rate. Airbus is pushing for an A330 increase. If this is indeed part of Boeing’s recovery strategy, they’ll have to figure this out.
6. Jebson | March 22nd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Yep. 777-300ER is wider 12′ than the A350-100. It also weighs much more and needs 30,000 litres extra fuel to carry just 15 extra passengers slower and less distance than the A350. So you tell me, will airlines go for 12′ width or millions of $ in fuel savings?
Just as the 787 will wipe the floor with the A330 so will the A350 to the 777. Sure a few of the old metal models will be sold for medium haul or for freighters but they will both soon be obsolete.
The statement from Boeing is both reassuring and refreshing to see. At a stroke, it dispels much of the speculative mis-speak and ill-informed hearsay that somehow permeates through the airwaves, which some believe to be sacrosanct.
Well Boeing told porkies last time there were delays so exactly how is this reassuring?
7. BOEING777 | March 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 pm
For a start, with oil prices as high as they are, the A350-1000 is certainly an enviable airplane to select over the 777-300ER. Only problem is its not available right now, where the 777-300ER is.
Orders placed today for the big Boeing will mean deliveries will alleviate some operational pressure - I guess most carriers will eventually operate both airplanes alongside each other until Boeing decides to upgrade or entirely replace the 777.
“Boeing told porkies last time there were delays so exactly how is this reassuring?”
It’s small consolation, but I suspect that if there were a delay due to the wing box issue, making it public with that statement would have been the best time to do so.
8. Chris Cook | March 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Very interesting and certainly a thought provoking article. Certainly the two larger A350 variants have very compelling economics on offer, and this no doubt will prompt Boeing to offer a “performance improvement package” of sorts for the venerable 777-200LR and -300ER. This should make the 777 even more fuel-efficient and will certainly close the gap to the A350’s economic advantage. Boeing has already hinted at aerodynamic treatments to the highly acclaimed 777’s wing, as well as performance tweaks to the GE90s. Certainly, the economic advantage of operating a 777 years before an A350 is very, very compelling and further, by the time the A350 starts settling in, more than likely an all-new 777 will be ready for EIS, so why not just stay with 777s?
9. Dougloid | March 24th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Good general survey. Chris, I don’t know how you can call the B777 ‘venerable’. It’s only been in production what? twelve years? There’s a lot that can be done with it as we move forward. To draw an analogy, we still haven’t seen SP1.
10. Dashaun | May 13th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Very interesting about hearing thier will be a new boeing 787 airplane i cant wait to fly in those planes
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