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	<title>Comments on: Boeing Speaks On 787 Progress</title>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keesje and Leahy are light years ahead of Boeing with all their 'up in the air speculation' !!  Maybe Boeing should hire these two airheaded dudes as well as all the others out there:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keesje and Leahy are light years ahead of Boeing with all their &#8216;up in the air speculation&#8217; !!  Maybe Boeing should hire these two airheaded dudes as well as all the others out there:)</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The black bold lettering over the aircraft pictured at the top,
( BOEING777's Editorial )  needs to be changed to 787
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The black bold lettering over the aircraft pictured at the top,<br />
( BOEING777&#8217;s Editorial )  needs to be changed to 787<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keesje, Listen to John Leahy and you're 2 decades behind!!

Despite what Airbus' COO for customers wants, thinks or claims, the 747-8I will be a success, as it has no competitor. You very well know the A380 and 747-8I serve two distinctly different markets. Oh, the 747-8I is more fuel-efficient than an A380, but then again, as I said, does it really matter considering one is a 400seat to 500seat airplane and the other a 500seat plus airplane? The orders will come for the -8I, just as they will for the A380. Which one makes for a more profitable and lower risk business case, well, I would say the 747-8I. Both are great airplanes, but your continued -8I bashing is rather boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keesje, Listen to John Leahy and you&#8217;re 2 decades behind!!</p>
<p>Despite what Airbus&#8217; COO for customers wants, thinks or claims, the 747-8I will be a success, as it has no competitor. You very well know the A380 and 747-8I serve two distinctly different markets. Oh, the 747-8I is more fuel-efficient than an A380, but then again, as I said, does it really matter considering one is a 400seat to 500seat airplane and the other a 500seat plus airplane? The orders will come for the -8I, just as they will for the A380. Which one makes for a more profitable and lower risk business case, well, I would say the 747-8I. Both are great airplanes, but your continued -8I bashing is rather boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I am as guilty of "arm-chairing" as the next fella, so I wasn't trying to be derogatory with the term. :)

I think a 787-8 with the winglets (so a 52m span) is likely the best option. 10t is not a terrible MEW penalty to pay for the flexibility it offers and airlines can always paper de-rate the MTOW if they don't need the full amount to save on landing fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I am as guilty of &#8220;arm-chairing&#8221; as the next fella, so I wasn&#8217;t trying to be derogatory with the term. <img src='http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I think a 787-8 with the winglets (so a 52m span) is likely the best option. 10t is not a terrible MEW penalty to pay for the flexibility it offers and airlines can always paper de-rate the MTOW if they don&#8217;t need the full amount to save on landing fees.</p>
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		<title>By: keesje</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>keesje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6 months ago I put forward a medium range 787-5.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3496727

It now appears "non arm chair" ceo's agree.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2008/02/boeing-considers-suspending-sh.html
and Boeing is relocating key 787-3 staff.

Everyone is free to copy what Boeing says &#38; label anything else as "arm chair". Meanwhile business reality is progressing.

Same for 747-8i : listen to Randy &#38; you are 2 steps behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 months ago I put forward a medium range 787-5.<br />
<a href="http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3496727" rel="nofollow">http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3496727</a></p>
<p>It now appears &#8220;non arm chair&#8221; ceo&#8217;s agree.<br />
<a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2008/02/boeing-considers-suspending-sh.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2008/02/boeing-considers-suspending-sh.html</a><br />
and Boeing is relocating key 787-3 staff.</p>
<p>Everyone is free to copy what Boeing says &amp; label anything else as &#8220;arm chair&#8221;. Meanwhile business reality is progressing.</p>
<p>Same for 747-8i : listen to Randy &amp; you are 2 steps behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 787-3 has always struck me as a "down and dirty" program designed to meet the needs of JL and NH in the domestic market as a replacement for the 767-300 and 777-200. To keep development costs and time down, they essentially took a 787-8, swapped the raked wingtips for upturned winglets, and paper de-rated the MTOW.

The MEW is 10t less, but most of that is in the wingbox area, I have been led to believe, which means that while it has the same fuel volume of a 787-8, it cannot fill the center tank to anywhere near full capacity, which kills it's range, especially at a full load. But since the plane is doing the equivalent of intra-California missions, 1250nm or so at full payload is plenty of range.

The only real advantage the 787-3 offers over the 787-8 is the shorter wingspan, which allows it to fit in "B-Type" gates (FAA Group IV / ICAO Code D). There has been much discussion amongst "armchair CEOs" about the possibility of Boeing taking the 787-8 and putting the 787-3 winglets on it for airlines, especially those in the United States, who need a plane that fits in the same gates as a 767, but offers much better range then the 787-3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 787-3 has always struck me as a &#8220;down and dirty&#8221; program designed to meet the needs of JL and NH in the domestic market as a replacement for the 767-300 and 777-200. To keep development costs and time down, they essentially took a 787-8, swapped the raked wingtips for upturned winglets, and paper de-rated the MTOW.</p>
<p>The MEW is 10t less, but most of that is in the wingbox area, I have been led to believe, which means that while it has the same fuel volume of a 787-8, it cannot fill the center tank to anywhere near full capacity, which kills it&#8217;s range, especially at a full load. But since the plane is doing the equivalent of intra-California missions, 1250nm or so at full payload is plenty of range.</p>
<p>The only real advantage the 787-3 offers over the 787-8 is the shorter wingspan, which allows it to fit in &#8220;B-Type&#8221; gates (FAA Group IV / ICAO Code D). There has been much discussion amongst &#8220;armchair CEOs&#8221; about the possibility of Boeing taking the 787-8 and putting the 787-3 winglets on it for airlines, especially those in the United States, who need a plane that fits in the same gates as a 767, but offers much better range then the 787-3.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2008/02/21/boeing-speaks-on-787-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GE might 'step up to the plate here' as they did with the 773 and persuade Boeing to go exclusive with the GEnx.</description>
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